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. the challenger was ronald reagan. everybody knows how the election came out that year. that's not what we're talking ant here. what we're talking about is who won that first debate. incumbent president jimmy carter or was it the challenger, ronald reagan? >> leaving cleveland this morning, the president had a message for anyone who thought reagan had come across better in the debate. >> i think the issues are more important than the performance. >> the president is visibly more relaxed today than he was on the stage with governor reagan last night. since there's no way to know yet for sure which man helped himself the most, it's likely that the president is simply relieved that the debate that many of his advisers never wanted in the first place is finally behind him. >> relieved that it is over. so that was the coverage the day after the reagan/carter debate. because reagan went on to win the election that year, retrospectively that 1980 debate has been inviewed with a lot of over the top reagan worship stuff about his there you go again line and his are you better off than you were four

, because you weren't even born in 1980. >> i was not, yeah. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had heard or read something about romney in the last couple weeks said what they had heard or read made them think more negatively about him. more positively, that number was 48%. they've heard him going into this debate. this provides them a chance to say, listen, that guy you saw in the video, that's not me. i'm a different type of person. he can reset in that sense. i'm sort of with al on this. i spent a lot of time over the past week watching all of romney's debates from 2002. i watched every single debate. there were five of them. i read hundreds of clips in 2002. he was against

clinton. in the 1980 republican primary george bush had moment against ronald reagan, until in the debate in new hampshire, there was a moment where reagan looked strong. >> i am paying for this microphone. >> that moment helped change the campaign. >> some o some of them you can . >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. >> other ones, you got to depend on your candidate seizing a moment you didn't expect to happen. >> there you go again. >> most moments so far this election have been poorly phrased comments. >> if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> they'll put y'all back in chains. >> the media call those gaffes, but often the media don't know. when ed musky lost the '072 primary because he looked like he teared up defending his wife, everyone said candidates can't career, because that's week, but then in 2008 hillary clinton cried. >> you know, i have so many opportunities from this country. >> she began to tear up. >> don

, they knew jimmy carter was going to look at ronald reagan and say, "you were against medicare" at the beginning, happened to be true. but reagan looked at him, shook his head and said, "there you go again." it was really a comment not just on that medicare answer but on everything that carter had said. that's when a zinger works. >> schieffer: what do you think the obama people think they're going to hear from romney? >> one thing that's being telegraphed by the romney folks -- and i wouldn't have telegraphed it if this was a question i wanted to ask-- do you want another four years like the last four years. the president has heard that-- >> that's a question people ask. >> i know, but ronald reagan was smart enough not to say are you better off today than you were four years ago until he got to the debate. the president knows that question is going to be asked and he will be prepared to answer it. five of the last six times an incumbent debated a challenger in a debate, the challenger won. >> that's the question they are asking. they know they are not better off from four yea

and ronald reagan for a little perspective for us. gregg: plus, he earned a law degree, he passed the bar exam, but this young man came to the country when he was 9 years old and became an illegal immigrant. can the state deny him a law license because of his legal status? [ male announcer ] this is sheldo whose long day setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. gregg: welcome back to america's election headquarters, now, and a look at whether this 2012 race is resembling the presidential election of 1980. who can forget incumbent democratic president, jimmy carter, republican challenger, ronald reagan. from the economy to volatile events in the middle east, how some analysts are now comparing these two races. james rosen is in wa

country now. it is a miracle that ronald reagan won 49 states without fox news, rush limbaugh, sean hannity, drudge report, with the network's dominant and "the washington post" and "the new york times" ascended. mitt romney is being undone by some conspiracy out of a 7- eleven in falls church? [laughter] >> there was no other reagan. was unique and a political actor unlike any we have seen. putting mitt against him is unfair. he is not a great campaigner. i think he would be a great president, but he is not a great campaigner. evan is right. if the polls are 0.9% in one direction, there probably true. -- 90% in one direction, they are probably true. but you have to apply a formula by who is likely to show up. if you apply the model of the 2008lectorate, you get one result, highly pro-obama. but if you say the electorate will look more like 2004, then the race is even. i think that is the only argument that you could make. t a conirac it is which way you model the electorate, how it breaks down on election day. >> we have a debate coming up, nina. what is your advice to mitt romney?

. -- conservative wine country now. [laughter] it is a miracle that ronald reagan, one of 49 states without fox news, rush limbaugh out, and sean hannity, drudge report, the network's dominant and "the new york times" at "the washington post" ascended ent. poor mitt romney, done by some conspiracy out of a settlement in falls church? [laughter] >> reagan was unique and a political actor unlike any we have seen. putting mitt romney against him is not a fair standard. he is not a great campaigner. i happen to think he would be a good position, but he is not a great campaigner. on the polls, evan is right. if 90% are pointing in one direction, is probably true. but you have to apply a formula when you decide to was going to be likely to show. if you apply the model of the 2008 electorate, you get one result, which is highly pressure obama. but if you say the electorate would look -- and the pro obama. but if you say the electorate looks more like 2004, then the race is even. it is not a conspiracy, it is a question of which way to model the electorate and which way is going to break down on election da

is structurally sound. it's going to have to be tweaked the way it was by ronald reagan and democratic speaker tip o'neill. but the basic structure is sound. but i want to talk about the values behind social security and medicare. and then talk about medicare because that's the big driver of our deficits right now. my grandmother, some of you know, helped to raise me, and my grandparents did. my grandfather died a while back, my grandmother died three days before i was elected president. and she was fiercely independent. she worked her way up only had a high school education, start as a secretary, ended up being the vice president of a local bank. and she ended up living alone by choice and the reason she could be independent was because of social security and medicare. she had worked all her life, put in this money, and understood that there was a basic guarantee, a floor under which she could not go. and that's the perspective i bring when i think about what's called entitlements. you know, the name itself implies some sense of dependency on the part of these folks. these are folks who have work

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republican in massachusetts. >> ronald reagan. ronald reagan. >> rose: in the 84 campaign. >> right, right. >> one point on the president correcting, i kind of agree we'll probably lead that internally but boy oh boy, the pressure on joe biden and paul ryan because that debate, the stakes are higher across the board. both biden and ryan are probably doubling their debate prep time now. >> can i disagree. >> rose: yes. >> can i disagree with my good friend mike murphy on that. you know mike you were just a kid i know but in 1988, there was a really much claimed vice presidential debate, lloyd benson and dan quayle. lloyd benson cleaned up the room, one of the great lines in the history of debates and it didn't move the needle one iota. i don't think vice presidential debates will be fun to watch or great for us in t press, i don't think it matters. >> rose: go ahead. >> i was going to say there are a couple sort of issues where there could have been more illumination in terms of flushing thing out on the healthcare debate where mitt romney for the first time as you pointed out talked abou

what ronald reagan was getting at in 1986 when he closed a lot of tax loopholes and got rid of a lot of credits and allowances prevented some not paying any taxes at all, jenna, to pay taxes. ironically president obama seized on that reagan initiative to interpret it as a sign ronald reagan was for hiking taxes on rich. he wasn't. he was for closing look holes that prevent americans from paying. mitt romney's pitch seems to be, look i think everyone should contribute something and the push for fair, simpler tax code, get rid of a lot of these deductions, limit a lot of these deductionses. drop a lot of credits. nix some of the special louances. it will be cleaner and easier to understand and do. you might chase income hiding under the rocks back as taxable revenue. all benefit. but of course i think a lot of upper middle class, upper class folks heard that and said, whoa, sparky, i think you just raised my taxes. so he is going to have to answer to that tonight. but i think he is hoping to win over people who heretofore thought he was just a pal to the rich. jenna: i've been looking

that was the best debate effort by a republican nominee since ronald reagan since 1980. what happened to the united states. michael moore got on twitter. this is what happens when you pick john kerry as a debate coach. >> gretchen: and what about bill haeh. obama made great points tonight, but unfortunately most for mitt romney. >> brian: that is compelling insight. thank goodness for twitter. i had a chance to see what the world thought. gretchen, tell us what is happening. the middle east is in flames. >> gretchen: foreign policy did not come up last night it was not part of the schedule. maybe they will talk about it next time. this is what happened last night. turkey firing rounds in syria. this is the second straight day. ♪ it comes one day after a shell inside of syria landded on a home in turkey leaving a mom, three daughters and another woman dead. syria later offered condollences. now a deadly form of menigitus leaving four people dead in five states. that number could grow. it is believed that a steroid injected for back pain started the outbreak. it could affect anyone receiving the in

'm losing to this guy." playing michael dukakis. you really do have to go back to ronald reagan to find a republican that was in command during a presidential debate. and i predict that's going to excite the republican base in a way it hasn't been excited in a very long time. we're not used to winning debates like this. >> right. >> i'd even -- i think you're exactly right. and i'd push back even farther. he was better than nixon. and he was better than ford. so you could argue, except for president reagan, governor reagan then, it was, in fact, the strongest republican debate performance in the history of televised debates. the other thing that i find so interesting -- and joe, i wonder what you think about this -- is this was not a tea party message. one of the reasons perhaps governor romney did so well is that this might actually be the real governor romney at last. >> yep. >> and it was a very -- people could take me on on this, i would argue that was a mainstream conservative message that could have been largely unchanged except for the tales from 1980 forward. and that is somethi

reagan and carter in 1980. the confidence and ease that ronald reagan projected and jimmy carter looked a little bit defensive. that's the impression that lasts. >> even al gore and george w. bush i think is a good example of body language told so much during those debates. al gore was up in the polls and had a series of very poor debate performances. >> al gore had been a very effective, aggressive debater. in the first debate, he was seen as being too aggressive. the famous sighs and all the rest. in the second debate, he was almost too laid back. by the third he had a kind of just right approach, but by that time, those performances and all the other factors in the 2011 election held him back. >> how important is humor? >> it can be very important, but it's something that has to -- i guess some humorous lines probably are prescripted. there you go again by reagan most people feel w prepared. that, of course, is the magic. >> remember what lloyd benson said about dan quayle and president kennedy. >> yes, that was the famous line, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no j

theme in carter's campaign and blamed by many costing ford the emphasis. ronald reagan repeatedly attacked by president carter for his stance on health care. >> governor reagan, as a matter of fact, began his political career campaigning around this nation against medicare. >> reporter: reagan wins fans and the election by staying cool. >> there you go again. >> reporter: four years later president reagan again uses humor to handle attacks on his age during his debate with walter mondale. >> i want to you know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> reporter: the next election, democratic candidate due can a ki dukakis is asked this question. >> if kity were raped and murdered, would you favor irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't. i think you know that i proposed the death penalty during all of my life. >> reporter: the public sees his answer as cold and dispassionate. that very night his poll numbers dropped. during the 1988 vice presidential debate -- >>

a consistent advantage over ronald reagan but the final presidential debate changed everything leading to a reagan landslide. now he is building a lead in key battleground states, a consultant who worked for jimmy carter, finding the right sample to survey can be tricky. >> we know from exit polls that republicans tend to respond to these polls less than oftentimes particularly to news organizations less than do democrats. >> reporter: in. >> julie: 8 there was a huge swing. dukakis lost to bush. in 1992 incumbent president was down nine points in mid-september and was tied with bill clinton by the end of october. the clinton eventually won. former clinton pollster is questioning the assumptions being made in today's polls. >> these polls are assuming that you have the same high level of african-american, latino and young people vote in 2012 that you had in 2008. >> obama campaign senior advisor david axelrod said they widely vary so when they all pointed in one direction, they are all wrong. but we are planning for a close race as we always have. another democratic strategist offered

ronald reagan in that 1984 debate they had and reagan turned it around. and the only line you remember from the night was something to the effect of "i'm not going to make age an issue in this campaign, i will not use my opponent's youth and inexperience as a political issue." and everybody laughed, including mondale, and it won reagan the debate. or in the 1980 debate where ronald reagan kept saying to jimmy carter "there you go again." a great line. well said. >> jimmy says obama wants to have a substantive debate. is there a worry that he could get too deep into the issues? >> no, because of the timeframe. they're 15-minute segments. they'll go back and forth. it's not set up. they won't have the chance to go way into it deep. >> that's my worry, that you come out of this with no substance. i want substance. >> if i'm a candidate running for the presidency of the united states, what i really care about are the undecides, the people who have not yet made up their mind. those are the folks that are going to swing this election. so you've got to speak to those folks. for them, it's not

in the past three decades. ronald reagan made a deal with tip o'neil. it was for tax increases and spending control. >> hurt republicans when they ran for office, didn't it? >> they got the tax increases. they didn't get spending cuts. he got the tax increases ch he didn't get the spending cuts. >> do you think it was a governing mistake. if he gets elected president, is he going to regret that? >> i think the crisis we face financially is so severe that all the discussion of finances last night, you can fergs. we don't have the money to expand the military. we don't have the money you have to overhaul sos to keep it sound. >> he wants to spend more money in the military. do you think that's a mistake? >> the money isn't there. >> david, this is where the obama campaign wants to go. it's saying, yes, we lost on style. but romney made himself -- i mean, senator, it's a complicated argument he's making on these issues. >> absolutely. and it's going to make sense after the the election. we're facing a fiscal cliff. all the consumers will come into play. and i obama campaign is going to say, lo

in the preparation to debate ronald reagan. >> we set up a couple of podiums. how closely do they try to stage everything in the debate. >> everything is negotiated and the whole one ups is how cold is the studio versus how warm and most importantly as i learned in 1984. is lighting. reagan people got the lighting set and mondale walks out . he has huge bagsurn his eyes. >> did they have a chance to check out the lighting. >> they did and they missed it. one of the things that you mention is just how far apart the podiums are. >> you can be further apart. and how do they engage and you are looking in the camera and have the moderator and critecal moments of campaign is how you turn. >> bill clinton used wag the platform. >> how do you advice. not to put your finger. it is a question of emphasis. and al gore did something risky and it back fired. he walked off his podium and invaded governor bush's speech. he was prepared for al gore to approach him. al gore had done that in the prevous primary. how close do they have to be prepared. you have to be comfortable and prepared for everything . so p

. the way thomas "tip" o'neill and ronald reagan worked together, when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out principle he would foster, lowering tax rates. he said he would broaden the base. you said the same thing, you will simplify 9 tax code and broaden the base, those are my principles bringing down the

our thermostats a tad and guzzle a bit less gas. then came ronald reagan who's man great contributions to america were coupled with less great ones, including idea, which has dominate ourd political discourse ever since, that we should speak only of morning in mark and that optimism, like virtue, is its own rewar. it isn't, not if it's crowds out realism. >> let's not read the whole article. you talked to erskine bowles? >> about this? >> i'm saying we talked to him. you talked to erskine bowles, bill clinton's former chief of staff who's in the debt commission. he's scared. he's scared to death. >> about the things we can't say. >> about the fiscal cliff. what we can't say about taxes, what we can't say about cutting the taxes, what we can't say about medicate. >> you can't tell voters they're going to feel pain for anything. >> either side. >> we're not talked to as adults. we're talked to as children, which is our own fault because that's what we've shown here. when you listen to both candidates, it's leak a contest to say you'll less pain under me, you'll feel less pain under me. i

one ready to go but make it look like it came off the top of your head. ronald reagan was a master at that. let me play a little clip. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i'm not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> it was a good one. it got a great laugh. perry, an argue was mamt by roger simon in politico this morning that mitt romney needs to have a few jokes to leave people with the impression he's a regular guy and not some cardboard cutout. how important are one liners and jakes? perry? >> it's so -- >> i'm sorry. robert. sorry. gosh. >> that's okay. i was waiting for that. it's very important because obviously what american people are looking for, they both know that these individuals are smart. what they're looking for is some type of personal impression by saying, you know what? i like this guy. not only does he get the job of being president, but he's funny and humorous as well. even george w. bush was good at that in 2004 and 2000. the question is whether mitt romney can connect with the american people. most know

. it has been growing under obama. it's not explosive growth like ronald reagan had in 1984, able to win 49 states, but it's been slowly growing. you have that and you have another thing that political scientists kind of found there seems to be an advantage the less time your party has been in the white house, the more -- so bush sr. in '92 that's 12 years of republican rule. people are itching for change at that point. four years coming in off what obama inherited is a different situation. >> you know, one thing i would say is that the presidential level and at the gubernatorial level and the senatorial level, people are paying a lot more attention. there's a lot more money involved, seeing the ads, following the debates. when you get further -- at that level i would say the campaigns do matter. romney coming out and making his comments about the 47%, that had an impact. >> huge. >> it had a huge impact. i would say the obama campaign has been very skilled in the way that they framed romney early and also in framing this election in general as not just about the economy, but about the futu

to be there and are eager to make their case. bill clinton was like that. ronald reagan was like that. these two are not like that. for them, this is more, please do not let me do anything wrong, than, what can i do right? as was discussed earlier, he needs a dramatic moment to shift the momentum. if he is intimidated by the experience or feeling boxed in, he is less likely to do that. for obama, it is more a question for maintaining his lead. he does not want to do anything right now that reverses the trajectory he is on. i would expect he is a literate -- a little timid as well. >> if you look at past debates, one dealing with policy, the d, the with gerald forwar other is more style, where obama made a joke about his age. how much is policy and how much a style in these debates? >> i think probably my judgment would be a lot of the stylistic -- a lot of it is stylistic. it is the way they come across to the voters. it is not necessarily as much what they are saying as how they are saying it. every once in awhile, it is itchly more of a case of glti avoidance. to do with lot with their handler

ago? is america as respected throughout the world as it was? >> reporter: ronald reagan sealing the deal in his bid against jimmy carter. >> there you go. for the differences in substance and philosophy, barack obama and mitt romney clearly have one thing in common -- neither of these men likes to be muzzled. >> the last point i'd make -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no. i think i had five seconds before you interrupted me. was -- >> jim, the president began this segment so i think i get the last word. >> no. you get the first word in the next segment. >> but he gets the first word of that segment and i get the last word of that segment. let me make this comment. >> the president spoke four minutes longer than his opponent did last night but they don't give prizes away for that. joining me with what matters is the mainstay of political coverage is wolf blitzer. a man who doesn't sleep. this has to be a moment in politic where team obama is saying is this the right strategy, given what happened last night? >> well, it clearly was the wrong strategy for the president last night.

't need a model. ronald reagan with the economy was never going to lose, and bill clinton won't lose in 1996. you can look at other cases where the campaigns matter. do you have a sense what that exact balance is, is there a wall to quantify it like the economy and actually campaign effects? >> we do try and quantify it where our model looks at two things. there's an economic part of it and a polls part of it. the closer to election day, the more we rely purely on polls, the theory is that if by october/november whatever impact there is to the economy hasn't been reflected in the polls, either the model is wrong or people think about other things. so right now, you know, actually do expect even before the debate the polls to it tighten some, because although the incumbent president gets a lot of credit, obama was ahead by five or six points by these polls for a while. naets hi that's high based on where the economy is. in some ways the debate brings the polls more into line with the fundamentals, which we think implies a tenuous advantage for obama. >> so, nate, if you could get into

, ronald reagan was not engaged in every detail, he could have the stam no-- stamina to do t but obama is engaged in everything. and i do think there is a sensef fat agency that one senses around the white house and one senses around him. nd so to get the passion that he had in 2008, i think is just hard given everything he's been through. >> you think that explains, mark, partly what happened? >> it may well, judy. 48 hours later, first of all, just a personal note, i have speculated on debate night that the president's passive performance and it was quite passive, listless, may have been attributed in part to john kerry, his sparring partner in the prep sessions who is a leading contender to be secretary of state maybe not going tough toe-to-toe to him. my subsequent reporting has, in fact, contradicted that. john kerry, i was told by two eye witnesses was actually tougher inside than mitt romney was with barack obama. >> woodruff: so that's not it. >> no, i don't think that-- i do think what we concluded before, at least i heard several wise people say, presidential debates don't ma

. despite president carter's efforts. instead, they were freed as soon as ronald reagan was inaugurated. setting off democratic suspicion never proven that reagan emissaries back channeled with ryan to delay freeing the hostages and denied the troubled carter campaign a huge pre-election boost. >> it fed into the whole dynamic of the 1980 race in the sense that jimmy carter was a stumbling, ineffective president. >> fast forward to 1992, president jhw bush was on the ropes against bill clinton over a sluggish economy when ronald laying an's defense secretary was -- bad news that bush, who served as reagan's vice president did not need. >>> in 2004, a classic october surprise. osama bin laden released a video on october 29th, just four days before election day in a razor-thin race between president bush and john kerry. >>> it served as a reminder of the terrorist threat and strategists in both parties believed helped president bush. >> the term october surprise has become a seismic event. most centered around foreign policy, others have been around the economy, like in 2008. when the eco

ronald reagan take apart jimmy carter. now, with this caveat, president obama much quicker than jimmy carter. much. however, the way that reagan did it was authoritative, but kind of focusy. i don't know if romney can be folksy. but you got to be bold and fresh out there. but you got to do it with more of a twinkle in your eye than a malice. >> bill, look, why is "the o'reilly factor" and "fox & friends" popular? >> i don't show malice and i'll tell i couldn't. one of these crazy right wing talk show host social security off the air, i understand, savage, isn't he off the air? >> brian: i heard he's having trouble. >> because he's malicious. >> first of all, michael savage, you might not like him, he had millions of people -- >> he's malicious. that's what he is. if romney starts to do that, if people sense that -- >> we're not talking about -- >> i'm sorry, laura, you're wrong. if romney starts to do that without -- >> that's not what -- when has romney ever done that? >> come on, come on. >> you're creating paper tigers, bill. romney, i was in new york last week, and he performed be

emotion and some feeling or some fun like we always remember from ronald reagan. there you go again. i'm not going to use the age issue against you. just a little thing like that can make you human. >> just show a little bit more personality. i take it that's what you're saying. he's got the facts. he's got the background, the skill, but has to show more personality. is that right? >> yeah. on the facts, on the logic, he's going to be powerful. and the second part is the part people are waiting for, they're looking for. and i think he can accomplish it. and i think if he does, he will then win the debate in a bigger sense. >> how did you prepare for these debates against him? >> well, of course it wasn't just against him it was against as you remember because you moderated some, it was eight, ten people. it was really -- part of what you saw there was everybody was fighting for time. they're not going to have that problem. they're all going to have an equal amount of time. you're not going to see as much personal interchange with people kind of breaking into each other to try to get so

, former chief of staff for ronald reagan, chairman and ceo of the duberstein group. how long have you had that thing in your ear, what can you respond to what we were just talking about? >> i've been listening to everybody's comments. the fact of the matter is that millions of americans in spite of all the negative ads and stuff last night was mitt romney's last chance to make a first impression and he did it and knocked it out of the ball park. any observer would say he had a strong almost dee sissive victory last night. is it a game changer? we have to wait and see on that. but i always go into things like this looking at three things. first is the challenger and acceptable alternative to the incumbent, for months obama has been trying to raise that acceptability threshold. it didn't work last night. mitt romney became an acceptable alternative to barack obama. number two, everybody's been saying but obama is more likeable and after all, with he like to like our presidents, and last night who was the more likeable, in all of the snap polls by far it was mitt romney, not barack obama who

were talking about this yesterday. it happened to ronald reagan in 1984 in his first re-election debate. he was terrible. it happened to george h.w. bush in 1992 in his first re-election debate. he was terrible. it happened to george w. bush in 2004 in his first re-election debate. he was terrible as well. it is hard to be that insulated for four years. and this one takes being insulated to a new degree, this president does. as did george w. bush, i think, in his eight years. so i guess it is human nature to come out and be shocked that somebody's punching you in the face after being so protected and basically play some bubble wrap in four years like we do with our president. >> the president is usually pretty good when the game's on the line. and the game's going to be on the line in two weeks. he's got to perform better or it will be a real problem. i think just to focus on the debates forgets the fact that governor romney needs to perform in the next two weeks. he can't just wait for the next debate. he did a conservative event. he did hannity. i still don't get the logic of his frid

, there will be an increase. the government is wasting enough money already. i believe in the ronald reagan approach -- if i can finish my answer, you should not feed the beast. let's put the beast on a diet and spend a little less money. >> did the department of homeland security, does that count as feeding the beast or not? >> i have no contract with the department of homeland security. one more try in an attack, doesn't work. never done a contract with the department of homeland security. don't have one planned. don't get any money from the government. >> sure. >> you can try all those attacks that you want. i do private business with private individuals. get no money from the government. want to try another one? >> mayor giuliani, if you're inviting it. the difference is that under mitt romney, rich people will pay a lot less in taxes than what they would pay under president obama, because president obama would let the bush tax cuts expire for higher earning individuals only. so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if eithe

. but in three years ronald reagan had turned around the economy. we had 5 percent, 6 percent, 7 percent rate of economic growth and a month where we created a million jobs in one month. the economy did much better under the reagan program, which is cutting taxes, deregulating the economy, slamming the brakes on the money supply. that would make the case that president obama has done the opposite. he has increased the spending. there is a threat of a huge tax increase next year. if you talk to business men and women as i do all the time, they say this regulatory onslaught is smothering. >>clayton: another argument is what would have resolved the recovery faster if you allowed us to pass a greater stimulus, more government spending would have accelerated our rate of recovery. do you buy that? >>guest: i don't think very many americans boy that. we have had $5 trillion of debt in four years. that is more debt than the united states took on from 1776 through the year 2000. in other words, in four years we have borrowed more money than it took to finance the revolutionary war, the civil war, worl

debater, but very solid and he went after his opponents when he had to. >> you talked about ronald reagan being a transformative political leader. i did not mention his name. >> well, i'm here, he's not. >> i can't tell who i'm running against sometimes. >> last night the president's most heated exchange may have been with the moderator, jim lehrer instead of romney. >> the last point i'd make before -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no, i had five seconds before you interrupted me. >> the preparation team, i believe, did not serve him well, but they have a chance to get it right over the next two presidential debates. race and a lot could happen in the four and a half weeks until the election. >>> by the way, you can already see a difference in the president today. he came out swinging in front of a massive crowd in wisconsin, just a little while ago. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin is traveling with the president. jessica, we saw a very different president obama today than we saw last night. >> wolf, we sure did. today it was do over obama using some of the comebacks h

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